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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:16:10 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 5:30 PM as for the education process, this will be slow. Education outreach is essential and *not* through GA. We must continue the free exchange of ideas, Free School University is a budding idea that is already making HUGE strides here in Boston on outreach and education. I firmly believe that the extension of this model will alleviate a lot of the GA load in this educational process.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:16:22 GMT -5
@apokalypse1991june 26, 2012 6:18 PM Do you think it would be worthwhile to suggest a course of study paired with online resources for people to engage in? Concentric circles of curricula that might help facilitate the learning curve- or be an aid to people with limited engagement opportunities? It would allow people to lurk moar, while still hitting the mark in terms of topical instruction.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:16:31 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 6:26 PM I think the combination of static and dynamic resources as well as local outreach. We can feed the information through FSU and other radical education outreach programs. They can facilitate local discussion, and each group can take away what they need. But the information would remain available to all. The information IS available it's just in so many places folks get frustrated searching for it.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:16:50 GMT -5
not_meJune 26, 2012 9:43 PM I totally agree with basically everything said in this thread; inclusive of utilizing existing resources such as the FSU and so on.
One particular point I'd make is that this also allows for training of people to properly populate tactical cells with the right skill-sets.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:17:13 GMT -5
not_meJune 26, 2012 9:43 PM On a side note, I really *hate* the progressive stack concept, I mean I understand it, but really? Are we equal or not? Are we color blind or not? Maybe it's because I'm a heterosexual white male, I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure I'd dislike it just as much if I wasn't.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:17:36 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 9:50 PM By progressive stack do you mean calling everyone up in order?
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:17:44 GMT -5
not_meJune 28, 2012 9:50 AM Ah, the progressive stack is in order, but minorities, women, gays, etc first because supposedly we need to show we're not racist misogynistic homophobes and do so by showing we're not the oppressive white people.. /shrug just annoying, like i said, are we color blind/etc or not? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_stack
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:22:55 GMT -5
AnonymousJune 26, 2012 7:24 PM (Elisa) I'm confused here. "very generic curriculum that educates but is also focused on determining a persons ideaology" This is what public schools do now. They indoctrinate students. If you are going to need people to make decisions even if they are binary decisions, they need to be able to think for themselves. I'm guessing a minimally invasive approach. Also, why have subjects at all? Maybe have projects instead?
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:23:05 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 7:29 PM I *think* the idea is to be project based, and largely we need to hammer out semantics.
A generic curriculum again both dynamic and static, helps people to verbalize their ideologies if undetermined in a way that pubic schools do not.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:23:15 GMT -5
@apokalypse1991june 26, 2012 7:50 PM Less importance on content-specifics, and more about the skills and faculties associated with critical analysis. We can attempt to avoid the danger of indoctrination by taking case studies (or whatever form these projects take) from a wide swath of human experience, and allow the "students" to chose which topically relevant examples they would like to engage with.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:23:24 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 7:54 PM I think that a volunteer/ practical application facet is an important part of critical analysis. If someone expresses an interest in say foreclosure law, they can be looped into an organization like City Life/ Vida Urbana and gain experience in that area while taking a part in the dialogue.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:23:40 GMT -5
not_meJune 26, 2012 9:53 PM One thing thats somewhat missing is that for me, it was meant not only as a method of education, but also as training & recruitment, so while I have no intention of indoctrinating people, identifying what people believe and so on would to me to be somewhat important at least for the purposes of recruitment into other layers of the structure.
That sounds so much more nefarious than I mean though (
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:23:58 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 26, 2012 10:10 PM I think for a lot of occupations training is going to have to rest (at least in some part) with outreach. Until there is enough of a ready "force" folks will have to pursue their interests autonomously and bring those skills back for skill share training, looping in with Free School etc.
Many existing organizations have skills and resources that we do not. In many cases hold free classes and skill shares that overloaded volunteers at occupy that ARE busting ass can't keep up with.
We can incorporate the "coalition" mentality, by directing an active volunteer force to existing organizations while garnering skills *and* support from the community.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:24:13 GMT -5
AnonymousJune 28, 2012 6:00 AM (Elisa) Ok, so how about this. Decide on educational objectives. Is the focus going to be academic, vocational, or behavioral. Are you interested in teaching people to follow instructions, use stuff, or to be the stuff creators. 101 classes are unnecessary.
Why not let the students discover their own philosophies and how to apply them (methodologies)? Recruitment would be a separate process. You would avoid people who would not be a good fit because they would know that & choose not to become involved. There would be data from their studies & a good behavioral interview could be done to weed out anyone else.
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Post by Walkabout on Jun 28, 2012 12:24:24 GMT -5
KC HoyeJune 28, 2012 9:40 AM I'm pretty sure we're talking about two different things.
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